RVing and True Crime in New England
Killer things to do and see in New England
This week on the StressLess Camping RV Podcast, we’re going to New England with two guys who are the spokespeople for RVing in New England, Bob Zagami and John DiPietro. We’ve got some insider RVing tips on places to stay, eat and see.
Then we speak with author Dawn Barclay who has researched places where crime has happened in New England in her book Vacations can be Murder! Don’t worry, you’ll still want to go whether it’s for the lobster rolls or the macabre.
Other places to hear the podcast
Mentioned on this episode
Maine - Eventide, Portland - https://www.eventideoysterco.com/
South Portland - Two Lights - https://lobstershacktwolights.com/
Portland - Demillo’s On the Water - https://www.dimillos.com/
Portland - Becky’s Diner - https://www.beckysdiner.com
When visiting Portland check the schedule of the cruise ships - Portland cruise port - https://www.cruiseportlandmaine.com/
Visit Vermont: https://vermontvacation.com/
Visit Maine: https://visitmaine.com/
Baxter State Park - https://baxterstatepark.org/
Jordan’s Furniture - largest indoor rope climbing experience
York Wild Animal Park - https://yorkswildkingdom.com/ - Old Orchard Beach
Seacoast RVs - https://www.seacoastrv.com
Bayley’s Campground - https://bayleysresort.com/
Cold Springs Camping Resort - https://www.coldspringscampresort.com/
Spacious Skies Minuteman - https://spaciousskiescampgrounds.com/minute-man/
Mohegan Sun casino - https://mohegansun.com/
Lake Winnepesaki - https://www.lakesregion.org/our-lakes/lake-winnipesaukee/
JFK Library - https://www.jfklibrary.org/
Traveling Robert on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TravelingRobert
Fenway Park - https://www.mlb.com/redsox/ballpark
Dawn Barclay - Vacations Can Be Murder - https://amzn.to/44PNUBv
Also Dawn’s blog - Vacations Can Be Murder
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We have a podcast episode and video where you can learn more here.
Automated transcript of StressLess Camping RV podcast episode 305
Peggy Barthel
This week on this Restless Camping RV podcast, we're going to New England.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. And we're going with two guys who are spokespeople for RVing in New England, Bob Zagami and John DePietro.
Peggy Barthel
We've got some insider RVing tips on places to stay, eat and see.
Tony Barthel
Yeah, but not zipline.
Tony Barthel
Then we speak with author Dawn Barkley, who has researched places where crime has happened in New England in her book, Vacations can be Murder.
Peggy Barthel
Don't worry, you'll still want to go. Whether it's for the lobster rolls or the macabre.
Tony Barthel
We have this week's podcast along with the notes and all the discounts, deals and everything at our home on the web at Stressless Camping.
Peggy Barthel
Don't forget to like and share.
Peggy Barthel
And thank you for joining us for episode 305.
Tony Barthel
Am I Tony? Oh, yeah, I am.
Peggy Barthel
You're Tony and I'm Peggy.
Tony Barthel
Oh, doggies.
Peggy Barthel
And we're two RV industry veterans who travel part time in a Rockwood mini light, looking to share big adventures and help you with great tips, tricks and discounts.
Tony Barthel
Yes, it's back side backside.
Tony Barthel
Oh, man, no wonder we're the butt of some people's jokes.
Peggy Barthel
Our viewers have been asking RVers have been asking again recently about RV toilet paper, and we have the answer. So we're going to put a link to our article about that. And we also did a review of an RV bidet.
Tony Barthel
Yes, we did.
Peggy Barthel
So that helps on toilet paper use?
Tony Barthel
It does, whether you're a big guy or just a little squirt.
Peggy Barthel
Oh, my goodness. I'm glad you said guy, because so many other words would have fit there.
Tony Barthel
Oh, my gosh.
Peggy Barthel
Yikes.
Tony Barthel
Wow. We are just off to a great start this week, aren't we? But that doesn't negate the fact that we have two real good friends of the show who have decided to come on and share some tips for RVing in New England.
Peggy Barthel
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
So we've been following our friends Jason and Abby and they got a system from ABC Outfitters solar and lithium system and have been doing some epic boondocking. And gosh, the photos have been great. So while we're sitting at home, basically using our solar and lithium system to run the fridge and the rv, they're out using the solar and lithium system to enjoy this beautiful country.
Peggy Barthel
And we'll get out there. We'll get out there next month.
Tony Barthel
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Peggy Barthel
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Peggy Barthel
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Peggy Barthel
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Tony Barthel
Oh gosh. It's 574-333-3225. And we have interviews with them and more information linked in the show notes@stressless camping.com.
Peggy Barthel
So, as Tony said, we have a couple of great friends that joined us this week. Well, we have three people who joined us this week, which was kind of unusual.
Tony Barthel
New friends and new friend and a couple old friends. Not that Bob and John are old, mind you.
Peggy Barthel
We didn't say that.
Tony Barthel
We didn't say that. Long time friends.
Peggy Barthel
So we're going to hear from Bob and John about places to eat, things to see, places to RV in New England.
Tony Barthel
We have the distinct pleasure, honor and privilege. Now see, who do I introduce first? We have our good friends Bob Zagami and John DePietro. But we also have John DiPietro and Bob Zagami.
Tony Barthel
And since we have not been yet to New England and we have an author who talked about New England this, this episode, we wanted first hand straight information on things we should do as RVers in New England. Inside tips or anything like that. So, gentlemen, welcome.
Peggy Barthel
Thank you for hanging out with us today.
Bob Zagami
So thanks.
Bob Zagami
Thanks, guys. So does, does that mean one of the items can't be to stay home? You're assuming everybody's gonna come to New England.
Peggy Barthel
Well, you don't get to see much.
Tony Barthel
No, don't, don't stay home.
John DiPietro
You want to know what you want to do when you come to New England, right?
Peggy Barthel
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. What are some of the highlights, the must sees and maybe hidden gems?
Tony Barthel
Because, you know, there's always like the big stuff, but we also like finding the weird, the different, the goofy.
John DiPietro
You got three, three distinct seasons to deal with. And the answer that we give you is going to depend upon when you plan on traveling to New England. Because if you want to be up here in the spring, like we are just RVing two days ago and woke up and it was 46 degrees in the RV with a wind chill of 34. That's one thing if you want to be here in the summertime where you can go to the beaches and get fried like a lobster.
John DiPietro
Not that you fry a lobster, but without the proper suntan lotion, you would be a lobster. And in the fall is the big RV time because that's when all of the RV companies send their tours here for the foliage stuff.
Tony Barthel
Oh, right, right.
John DiPietro
Be more specific and we'll be more specific.
Bob Zagami
Well, look, for starters, I'm hungry.
Bob Zagami
So a good New England lobster roll in Maine is a definite 12 months out of the year. So no matter when you want to go. So if you like a hot buttered lobster roll, you go to eventide downtown Portland. You wait about an hour to get in any time of the day that you go there. It is a tourist trap, but it's the best lobster roll.
Bob Zagami
And if you like the hot butted lobster roll. Now if you like the cold mayonnaise lobster roll, you go to Two Lights Clam Shack at Two Lights in South Portland. And you can bring your own bottle there. You can sit outside. There's a small area inside.
Bob Zagami
You sit on picnic benches outside and on the rocks overlooking the Atlantic Ocean. And the cruise ships come in and out. So you can see the cruise ships come in and out. And I like Demillo's in Portland. They've got five star chef for the last eight years.
Bob Zagami
They really turned the restaurant around. It's an old ship. It's the largest indoor. It's a larger ship conversion to a restaurant in the United States. It's right on the Portland harbor.
John DiPietro
Yeah, okay.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Seafood is definitely something that New England is known for. Of course. Those are some good tips.
John DiPietro
Yes, because three of the states are on the ocean. No, wait a minute. Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Maine. So four of the six. New England, New Hampshire.
Bob Zagami
Five and a six.
John DiPietro
Vermont is the only New England state that doesn't have a coastline.
Bob Zagami
Now if you go, if you go to the other spectrum and you really like the outdoors, you know, we see so much now about millennials and Gen Z's and boondocking off the grid, then Vermont is probably of our six states. I'd say Vermont and Maine are two great states for hiking, climbing mountains and the like.
John DiPietro
Tony, Peggy, ask the gummy how many mountains he's climbed.
Peggy Barthel
Now. Then we'd have to admit our own answer too.
John DiPietro
Same number as me.
Bob Zagami
Wait a minute, do molehills count?
Bob Zagami
And by the way, Tony, it's not like John is up in the mountains.
John DiPietro
Every week I said the same thing.
Tony Barthel
Yeah, well, I think the four of us are all about. Have about the same mountain climbing credits.
Peggy Barthel
So we do recognize that people like it.
Peggy Barthel
So where in those states, if it's great for hiking, where would people go to look for. To boondock somewhere.
Tony Barthel
And is there much boondocking there?
Bob Zagami
There's not much boondocking in New England compared to, you know, the west and in the middle of the country, I mean, there are. We've got academia.
Bob Zagami
Well, Acadia, you can't go inside and do boondocking. They got an exterior road, didn't go around, but I don't think they allow any boondocking there. Baxter State park in Maine, I bet that's up near Acadia. I'll bet that has some good boondocking. Similar to our mountain skills, our boondocking skills leave a little bit to be desired also.
John DiPietro
No, no, no. I boondocked Saturday night. Now, keep in mind one thing. We're taping this the last week of April, and most of the main campgrounds don't open until like, May 15th.
Tony Barthel
Oh, interesting.
John DiPietro
We wanted to get up there.
Bob Zagami
Yeah, you gotta be. Well, May 15th. And also they close in Columbus Day, which is around October 12th or 15th.
Peggy Barthel
Right.
Bob Zagami
You know, we have some. But that's the season. You know, if you're coming out to, you know, New England in the summertime, that's the season really. May. May 1st to middle of October.
Tony Barthel
Is it difficult to get reservations because of the. How short the season is or.
John DiPietro
Not anymore. Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts. There's.
John DiPietro
There's a ton of campgrounds.
Bob Zagami
Yeah.
John DiPietro
However, let's go back to that boondocking thing. Before all of you rudely interrupted me on Friday, we had nothing to do. So I said to my wife, there's a dealership up in northern New Hampshire that's having an open house on Saturday.
John DiPietro
Let's. Let's head up there Friday night and hit a couple casinos along the way. So that's what we did. And we ended up staying at a rest area. But it was a service rest area, had a big gas station and.
John DiPietro
And restaurants added just north of Manchester, New Hampshire. So it was safe. It had this. Its own designated RV parking. If I'm going to boondock, I don't like to be out.
John DiPietro
Out wide open with no one around. So I like other people around. And we can pretty much sleep anywhere with any kind of noise. So I like rest areas, and they're pretty plentiful.
Tony Barthel
And they let you overnight and the rest areas there.
Tony Barthel
Because I know some states do and some states don't.
John DiPietro
Yeah, yeah. The ones that. The ones that we were at. No problem.
John DiPietro
You know, here's the thing. Tony and Peggy, don't put out your slides. Don't put out lawn chairs. Don't put out your awning.
Bob Zagami
You're not there if you're in a commercial parking lot.
Bob Zagami
If you're in the middle of the woods, you can put out whatever you want.
John DiPietro
Right?
Peggy Barthel
Sure.
John DiPietro
But we don't go in the middle of the woods to boondock.
Bob Zagami
Oh, you're talking.
Bob Zagami
You, you. You're the way you. Boondock. Okay.
John DiPietro
Right, right.
John DiPietro
And if we stay at a Walmart, we don't take more than one spot. We don't put out the slides. Now, keep in mind, some people have units that in order to access the bed, you have to put the slide out. But put the slide out over the curb and not over another parking space, you know, because you don't want somebody driving around the corner and ripping your slide off.
Tony Barthel
Yeah, that's for sure.
Bob Zagami
All right, can I take a step back? Sure. I. I hesitated on the name of that place. It is the Lobster Shack at Two Lights, because you can see two lighthouses from there.
Bob Zagami
That's our favorite outdoor place. And they have fantastic fried food, too, and seafood. And. Oh, by the way, we should probably. We should caution people if you're coming to New England and Maine.
Bob Zagami
Much like a lot of other cities, Portland, Maine is a foodies city. People come from all over the world to go to Portland, Maine. Now, if you go to Demillo's this year, which is right on the waterfront for a fisherman's platter, you're gonna pay 44 bucks. So it's. And lobster could cost you anywhere from 50 to 100.
John DiPietro
And another thing with New England is let's use Portland, and let's use Burlington as two examples.
Bob Zagami
Yep.
John DiPietro
Burlington, Vermont, and Portland, Maine. The restaurants have New York prices. They don't have New England prices.
John DiPietro
Now, if you want some value, you find the hole in the wall. Diner or luncheonette in any of the small towns.
Bob Zagami
Airport diner by the airport, by Manchester Airport.
John DiPietro
Single ownership in one location.
Bob Zagami
Yeah.
Bob Zagami
Well, in Portland, it kind of goes against the tide a little bit, but Becky's Diner in Portland is. I mean, they get everything under the sun.
John DiPietro
Yeah.
Bob Zagami
Good service. But again, you.
Bob Zagami
You'll wait on a Sunday morning, you'll wait an hour to get in for breakfast. So you can't. You can't rush things up here because Portland, most people don't know this. Portland gets 225 cruise ships a year in Portland. 225.
Bob Zagami
And some of them come back three and four times like Anthem of the seas and ocean seas and some really big ones. And there are days, in fact, if, if you're up there, the first thing you want to do in the morning, if you're outside of Portland, you say, let's go to Portland for the day. Call up the Portland cruise port on the Internet and see how many ships are in that day. Because if three ships are in and they're big, it will cost 10,000 people that day in addition to the regular people who are going to go there in addition and didn't know it. So you really want to be cautious about that.
Bob Zagami
Know, know when the ships are coming in, then you go the other end of that to Bar Harbor. John, tell them about Bar harbor because you've, you've been up there more than I have. Yeah.
John DiPietro
Well, Bar harbor is a real tiny town. And interestingly, you bring up the cruise ships, Bob, because.
Bob Zagami
Right.
John DiPietro
The people that own the shops in town didn't want the cruise ships there because they don't buy things. They don't. They don't go to a restaurant because they, they paid for their food on the ship. So they come in, they might buy an ice cream cone or a beer, but the restaurants don't want them.
Tony Barthel
So it makes it much more crowded without supporting the local merchants.
John DiPietro
Right, Exactly. Exactly. And they just passed an ordinance there. Any ship, over 1500 passengers, which is 99% of all the big cruise ships, is not allowed to come to Portland.
Bob Zagami
No, they have to stay outside and have to use the dinghy or the little ferry on.
John DiPietro
Now they don't even want them in there.
Bob Zagami
Well, they don't even want that.
John DiPietro
No, no. If you look, those ships, they all bypass Bar harbor and they go up to.
John DiPietro
To, you know, Nova Scotia, and they don't even come yet because they can't come into the harbor anyway. But the chamber of commerce said we don't want any business.
Peggy Barthel
Good. That makes more room for the RVers then. Right?
Bob Zagami
Let me give you two gems. If you have kids, actually, they're good for adults, too. But if you have kids in the main mall, in the main shopping mall. M A I N e. Huh?
Bob Zagami
M A I N E. Which is in South Portland, Portland, there is a furniture store, it's called Jordan's Furniture. They have, certainly in New England, the largest indoor rope climbing experience. And tents and rope climbing. What do they call those things?
John DiPietro
Jungle.
Bob Zagami
Jungle Mazes and what have you inside the store. Kids could literally stay there all day. And then if you get hungry, they got food around there. If you like to do the adventure stuff outside, there is a animal park, an amusement park in York Beach.
Bob Zagami
York beach is one of the most popular areas. But in that area there is the York Wild Animal park. And they have a bunch of amusements for kids up to about teenage side. It's off on the side roads, but it's a good place to spend a day and not, not expensive at all on that.
Peggy Barthel
So that's cool.
Tony Barthel
So in Portland, are there many RV places to stay or is it more like you're outside the city? Like if, if you have your rv, is it reasonable to think you, you camp and you'd have to drive into town or bicycle or public transit or.
John DiPietro
If you go to Old Orchard 15.
Bob Zagami
Desert island up in Freeport. Now there, there you Freeport.
Bob Zagami
Freeport's on the right hand side. If you go north, it's on the right hand side 95, but the desert island is on the left. It's literally a desert in the middle of Maine. Now you could, you could bike into Freeport for that. But like Old Orchard beach where we used to have our park model that's 15, about 15 minutes south of Portland.
Bob Zagami
And there's a ton of campgrounds there.
John DiPietro
Big campgrounds, four or 500 unit.
Bob Zagami
Yeah.
John DiPietro
Parks.
Peggy Barthel
Oh wow.
Tony Barthel
Wow.
Bob Zagami
Yeah. Within 50 miles of. Well, we use our dealer up the Seacoast RVs and they like to only sell and service within 50 miles of the dealership. Because if they, if they sell one in Connecticut and they have to go service it, you could service 10 people in the 50 mile radius versus one person in Connecticut.
Bob Zagami
So there are, there are plenty of campgrounds up there. I'd say the best one might be Sandy Pines Campground in Kennebunkport. There you can walk downtown Kennebunkport and great restaurants and great breakfast place there. I forget the name of it. But the great breakfast place there you got Bailey's.
John DiPietro
B A Y. Oh, Bailey's.
Bob Zagami
That's the other one.
John DiPietro
I was thinking B A Y, not B A I, but B A Y L E Y S Campground. And that's four or five hundred spots.
Bob Zagami
And everything from Pop Ups actually do have tents. John.
John DiPietro
Oh yeah.
Bob Zagami
They take 10 Sandy Pines has tents and most of most. Sandy Pine Campground in Bailey's Camping Resort have everything from pop up to glamping tents.
Bob Zagami
Yes.
Peggy Barthel
Okay.
John DiPietro
And they have cabins, lots of cabinets.
Bob Zagami
Yep.
John DiPietro
There.
John DiPietro
So you know you can almost do you can almost do another show just on camping without a camper too. Because most of the properties in New England now have some type of accommodation that you can camp at without owning a camper.
Peggy Barthel
Okay.
Tony Barthel
Yeah, that, that's more and more. I know those KOA reports, they always talk about how popular those are and it makes sense.
Tony Barthel
If you're an RVer, you could maybe have your family join you.
Peggy Barthel
But it's good to know some of them might be named Resort. But still you, you know, a lot of times in my experience, if you see the word resort, you're gonna have all only class A kind of, you know. Yeah, fancy. Fancy.
Bob Zagami
No, no, you, I, I, I don't think we, we don't have any of the class A resorts in New England.
Peggy Barthel
Okay.
Bob Zagami
So even, you know, the best campground in New England and probably eastern of Mississippi is Normandy Farms family camping resort. Now they've got everything under the sun including a, I don't know, three or three acre dog park. They got a, a day spa, they got adult pools with bars.
Bob Zagami
You know, they've got everything under the sun. It's how popular they are. In March they opened up the reservation line for 2026.
Peggy Barthel
Oh wow.
Bob Zagami
You're going to go in 2025.
Bob Zagami
You're probably not. And if you don't get in on 2020 now they have cancellations and you know we always tell people call and call the morning of because somebody canceled something on there. But that and Sandy Pines, those are the two Baileys Sandy Pines and Normandy Farms in Massachusetts. In New Hampshire there's a hidden gem in Weir, New Hampshire and it's weare New Hampshire, it's Cold Springs Camping Resort. Now this is an interesting one because it's owned by the Silva family and Scott Silva runs the RV dealership.
Bob Zagami
Todd Silva runs the campground. Five Pools, Five Star Campground probably 20 miles west of Concord, New Hampshire. And in there they, they have, we call it, it is the really the only true one stop dealership that we have now when we talk about a one stop dealership in New England. They have the dealership, the RV dealership, the campground. They have a collision and body shop, they have a professional picture paint shop.
Bob Zagami
They have a separate service maintenance building and they do RV storage.
Tony Barthel
Wow, they got you covered.
John DiPietro
That's where we went Saturday morning for their open house and got totally rained out. Totally rained out.
Bob Zagami
Did you get a chance to see Scott or Ray?
John DiPietro
No, I, Ray was tied up and Scott wasn't there.
Bob Zagami
Ray's always tied up. It's, yeah, we love we love that dealer, but every time you go there, they're busy. And I won't call it old fashioned, but they really focus on the customer. So when you go on their lot, you do not have to check into a gate.
Bob Zagami
You don't have to sign your life away before you can, you know, you have to sit down with a salesman first. All the units in the lot every day are open. You can spend, you can go there, spend the whole day looking at RVs. And if you don't want to talk to a sales rep, you don't have to. Wow, it's a great atmosphere.
Bob Zagami
And then you think about it. You know, you have the campground up there. If the kids are in the pool for two or three hours, Dad's probably going to go down and look at RVs. Right. So several of these people come to the campground in one RV and they leave in a new rv.
Bob Zagami
No intention of buying a new rv.
Tony Barthel
That's a brilliant idea. That was one of my jobs when I was working at the dealership. I was always the. Well, not always, but usually the first one in.
Tony Barthel
None of the other people wanted to be the first one in because you had to go and unlock all the doors. So there I was with that, you know, the board of keys unlocking all the trailers so people could go and wander through them.
Peggy Barthel
But it sounds like this dealership is a lot bigger than yours.
Tony Barthel
They probably have more than one board of keys.
Bob Zagami
If you like history, you can't beat Boston.
Bob Zagami
I know Philadelphia is pretty famous and there are no campgrounds in Boston. John, tell them our favorite campground outside of Boston.
John DiPietro
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a Spacious Skies Minute man campground. It's in Littleton, just outside of Route 128.
John DiPietro
The thing is, 495. 495. I'm sorry, do not attempt to drive into Boston with an RV because you won't drive out with it.
Tony Barthel
I've heard the drivers are pretty aggressive. And of course, it's an old city.
Bob Zagami
Yes.
John DiPietro
The streets are narrow and there are no. We figured out there is no intersection in Boston that has right hand turns. I mean, that is a square intersection. They jut off here and they jut off there.
John DiPietro
And there's intersections with eight roads all coming into one.
Bob Zagami
Well, the other thing that's great about Minuteman Spacious Skies is there is a public consumer train station within a few miles. So you just drive to the consumer station. Train goes right downtown Boston. You visit Boston, visit the restaurants, go to North End for some good Italian food.
Bob Zagami
Yeah. And you Hop on the train. Kids fall asleep. By the time they get back to the campground, they're normal human beings again because they haven't gone crazy. And you don't.
Bob Zagami
We don't have many campground. I mean that's. It's ideally located now if you're crazy enough to drive in your car, you know, if you're towing a car then you're close to the mass pipe. So 495, you go south and you can go to the Mass pike or you can go north to Route 93 and the Mass pike goes straight into Boston. 93 goes right down into Boston.
Bob Zagami
So you can still enjoy Boston and the historical items. What about Rhode Island, John?
John DiPietro
The same thing. A lot more coastline. A lot more coastline.
John DiPietro
Small estate, but you know, so many options.
Bob Zagami
Well, tell them in Connecticut you go. You go boondocking the casino.
John DiPietro
Well, you know, boondocking, you go to the two biggest casinos in the entire United States at Mohegan sun in Foxwoods. And Foxwoods just opened a huge in fact just two days ago, a great Wolf Lodge.
John DiPietro
So they are becoming a family destination now. And you can go ziplining off their 28 story tower down to the parking lot. Z. Ziplining? I haven't done that yet.
John DiPietro
Tony and Peggy.
Tony Barthel
So I was gonna say I could just see you.
Peggy Barthel
Let's all count how many times we've each been ziplining.
Bob Zagami
Yeah, we put that in the column with the mountain climbing.
John DiPietro
Both of those casinos have excellent restaurants.
John DiPietro
Not just casino restaurants, but they have branded restaurants like pizza shops and they got a lot of those Wolfgang Puck and who's the other guy? All the people you see on the Cooking Channel. Michael Jordan has a restaurant there.
Bob Zagami
Bobby Flavin or Bobby Place.
Peggy Barthel
You can boondock in those casino parking.
John DiPietro
Lots and you can boondock overnight at no cost.
Bob Zagami
If you laid back and you really do want to relax a little bit more. Vermont is good for that. They don't have a lot of multi function campgrounds and they have more that are on the rustic side rather than. And people, you know that showed up in the KOA report this year too.
Bob Zagami
I mean people like the rustic ones. They don't like all the fancy stuff or the pools with you know, a thousand kids in them. You if you want to. And that's how spacious skies in Minuteman is in the middle of the woods. Back, back far enough from the highway but you're not going to find a lot of glitz and glitter and fancy things to do.
Bob Zagami
So Vermont if you, you know, want to do that very low key and lovely people.
John DiPietro
They've only asked us one question. We've gone on for 30 minutes.
Tony Barthel
Well, this is fantastic.
Peggy Barthel
That's what we were actually kind of hoping for.
Peggy Barthel
Yeah, that's what we planned on because.
Bob Zagami
They have all those other boring guests on. They go through that and all of a sudden they have you and I on.
Peggy Barthel
There you go.
Bob Zagami
We made that day.
Bob Zagami
Are you kidding me?
Tony Barthel
Yeah, it did. And it feels like a Wednesday night in some ways.
Bob Zagami
Yeah. We haven't talked about New Hampshire.
Bob Zagami
Lake Winnipesaukee and New Hampshire. The largest lake in New Hampshire, I believe. Gotta be a lot of boating. So if you, if you take a boat along with you or you want to rent a boat and you can rent motors, you can rent pontoon boats, that's freshwater boating.
John DiPietro
You've also got the seacoast where you can go out into the ocean.
Bob Zagami
Yep.
John DiPietro
So you've got both there in New Hampshire. So New Hampshire used to be. No, Maine used to be part of Massachusetts or something like that.
Bob Zagami
Here's an RV unit tip.
Bob Zagami
Most people don't know this. If you are in a class A or a diesel pusher, you're going to look far and wide for some really good service. So if you're in Maine, in Saco, Maine, which is about less than half hour from Portland area, that's a, one of our better RV dealers in Nervda and they have diesel mechanics and lifts, they can, they can put a converted bus on their lift and work on any part of the bus. And it's, it's a family owned dealership and if you're stuck, you want to put that down in your notes. If you need supplies, they got the largest parts and accessories store in Maine.
Bob Zagami
I don't know what other questions you got for us.
Peggy Barthel
Well, so speaking of class A's and big diesel pushers and stuff is I always think, you know, compared to, I don't know, Montana or Texas like we're used to, those states are also little and I think of them as being forested and sort of crowded. So is it difficult to find big campsites for big rigs? Is it more suited to smaller rigs or. I'm just, I just have a distorted view.
Bob Zagami
Well, especially in Maine. In most of the states they, they've been camping here for 100 years. So they, they do take everything. It's, it's not unusual to see a pop up camper next to a 3 million dollar bus. They can take them both.
Tony Barthel
Okay, that's good.
John DiPietro
It's a good point, Peggy. But from Southern Vermont to Northern Vermont is 200 miles. So it's not like Rhode island where you can, you know, get from one minute.
Bob Zagami
That's a good point.
Bob Zagami
Here's our travel advisory. You tend to look at a map and you see six New England states and you think, oh, I can go all, I can go all over New England and do that. And if you're in Vermont and you want to go to Maine, there is no road that goes from Vermont to Maine. You can go north, south, but you can't go east and west. So you have to go from Vermont down to the Mass pike, across the Mass pike, up 93 or 95 through New Hampshire to get into Maine.
Peggy Barthel
Okay.
Bob Zagami
It affects, because people will often say if you, even if you talk a lot about Maine. But Maine is the best kept travel secret in the United States. Make no mistake about it. But it's a, it's a long state.
Bob Zagami
So you travel at quite a bit, John, from the Mass line to the Canadian border. What are you talking, 10 hours?
John DiPietro
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I got to go to Augusta, Maine tomorrow.
John DiPietro
And that's 200 miles.
Bob Zagami
That's two or three hours from Portland.
John DiPietro
Right.
Bob Zagami
So you got about a six hour.
John DiPietro
Drive miles from here.
John DiPietro
But Maine is huge. Once you get north of Portland, you're only going to see a couple bigger cities, you know, Augusta and Lewiston. But they're not real big cities. When you compare them to cities in the Midwest.
Peggy Barthel
Sure.
Bob Zagami
You know, if you compare, you know, when you, when you look at the forums and the chat rooms, somebody will put something up and say, we want to go to Maine this summer. We want to go camping in Maine. Where should we go? Well, to John's Point early on, do you want to go to the mountains or do you want to go to the ocean? Do you want to eat at McDonald's or do you want to, you know, big stuffed lobster or dinner for 100 bucks at one of the restaurants in Portland.
Bob Zagami
So, you know, we want to be fair to your viewers. But New England, and you're right, Peggy, it is six small states. But there's so damn much to do in the six states. My advice to people always is pick out one state. Pick out one.
Bob Zagami
Especially if you're coming from the south or the west or whatever.
John DiPietro
We did two of them this weekend. We started in Friday night we were in New Hampshire, and Saturday night we were in. Saturday we were in Maine. We took, we took the Amtrak train up to Freeport and ended the night in Seabrook, New Hampshire at a Walmart there's anything you want to do, you can do in New England.
Tony Barthel
It's a place we need to get to and just haven't yet. And I don't know, I need to get up there. That's. That's the bottom line. And have lobster rolls.
Peggy Barthel
Yeah.
Bob Zagami
This is the Koa Cranberry Acres just before you go over to Cape Cod. And if you go up to the. And, you know, you get to see the whole JFK library where they've. They've duplicated the Senate.
Bob Zagami
They have. They have the exact model Senate so that you can sit there and see how they conduct business. Of course, they're not conducting business today. They're sitting on the steps of Congress doing nothing. But other than that, you could.
Bob Zagami
You. Everything in there is actually on microfilm and scan because when I had my imaging company, we were the company that scanned all those records and created the archives for them. So we know the stuff is there. Every birth and death going back to, I think it was 1820 when they started to record. Some of the stuff is online.
John DiPietro
Bob's in. Bob's in.
Tony Barthel
One of the records.
Bob Zagami
I was born into it. Yeah.
John DiPietro
So there's plenty to do.
Bob Zagami
We could talk for a week on New England.
Tony Barthel
Well, that's. Well, that's why we wanted to have you. And I mean, I think this is some great insider tips and things to do.
Tony Barthel
And as we maybe dive deeper, we might see, you know, if you're available again and go, okay, what about. What about this or that? Because I think, you know, you've already given us reasons to go as if we didn't have any already.
Bob Zagami
Well, next time you run into traveling, Robert, ask him. He was up last summer and summer before, and he's.
Bob Zagami
He's got some nice video, in fact, but he's got one I think is just dedicated to Maine and 11 in New England in general. But he. And those are fresh. He was just here last year doing that.
Tony Barthel
Yeah, I just watched one Sunday.
Tony Barthel
I think it was about Salem.
Peggy Barthel
Oh, yeah, that's right.
John DiPietro
Yep, he did go to Salem.
Bob Zagami
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
That.
Tony Barthel
That man puts a lot of miles on his vehicles because now he's. Apparently he's coming to the Overland Expo, and so hopefully I can hoist a beer with him. And he just helped us.
Bob Zagami
Is he bringing his Winnebago motorhome or his Winnebago trailer? I haven't figured out.
Bob Zagami
I don't think he got rid of the trailer. But he's got a class C trend.
Peggy Barthel
Right.
Tony Barthel
He also helped us rewrite our third Theme song.
Peggy Barthel
Yeah.
Bob Zagami
Oh, that's right. I remember reading about that. Yeah. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
He's a good guy.
Tony Barthel
He's a very good guy.
Bob Zagami
Because you do realize if any of the influences or people in the industry want to come into New England, they have to call John and Bob first. And we give them special credentials to come in and explore the RV opportunities up here.
Peggy Barthel
Good to know.
Tony Barthel
Ah, that's good to know.
Bob Zagami
I bet you didn't know that.
Tony Barthel
No, I. I was not aware.
John DiPietro
If you're a history buff, like two weeks ago was the 200th anniversary of the start of the American Revolution. And we were there at 5 o'clock in the morning with the first shot heard around the world.
Tony Barthel
Wow.
John DiPietro
We're putting that together right now. Editing that baby up.
Tony Barthel
Let us know because we'll share that, too.
John DiPietro
That's in Lexington and Concord.
Bob Zagami
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
I think there's so many reasons you could go there. I mean, the food, the history, just the.
Peggy Barthel
The mountain climbing, the ziplining.
Bob Zagami
We didn't talk sports, but if you come in the summer, you have to go to Fenway park because it's one of the first baseball fields in the country.
John DiPietro
Now, it's the oldest one.
Bob Zagami
Now, here's a piece of trivia. Do you know when Fenway park opened up?
Tony Barthel
No.
Bob Zagami
The day the Titanic sank.
Tony Barthel
Really? Oh, wow. 1912, you said.
Bob Zagami
Give me some gems.
Peggy Barthel
There you go.
Tony Barthel
That's a good one.
John DiPietro
1912.
Tony Barthel
Did anybody sink a ball into right field?
Peggy Barthel
Oh, boy.
Bob Zagami
Do you know about the red chair in right field? No, you don't. In right field. Bleaches. All the chairs are green except for one.
Bob Zagami
It's red. Where Ted Williams hit the longest home run in the history of inside Fenway Park. But now let me give you a second gem. Very few know this. The longest home run hit out of Fenway park legally was done by a guy named Joe Zagami from home plate over the right field wall.
Bob Zagami
And the Red Sox refused to acknowledge it. I've written to them. It's my uncle. He played minor league ball in Oneonta and he came up to the big leagues. And unfortunately, being of Italian descent, he met an umpire that didn't like Italians, apparently.
Bob Zagami
I'll stop the story there, but let's just say Joe never finished out his baseball career. But he hit the. And he was in high school when he did it.
Tony Barthel
Wow.
Bob Zagami
He came out to the Sox.
Bob Zagami
It was a high school tournament there. But you look. Look at the Baseball Reference Encyclopedia. You'll see his name and his shot career.
Tony Barthel
Well, I think we have some really great reasons to come visit. And hopefully when we do, we can. We can buy you a lobster roll or a beer or a. Or a drink of Jack Daniels.
Bob Zagami
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
So we really appreciate your time and.
Bob Zagami
We'Re always glad to talk RVs.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Yeah, us too.
Tony Barthel
Well, have a wonderful rest of your day and thank you so much.
John DiPietro
Thank you for having us.
Bob Zagami
Take care.
Tony Barthel
My pleasure.
Bob Zagami
Bye now.
Peggy Barthel
Okay, Are you excited? You ready to go to New England, eat the lobster rolls and.
Tony Barthel
Vacations can be murder.
Peggy Barthel
Well, there is that. Now, we are not suggesting you go to New England to get murdered, obviously.
Bob Zagami
Oh, gosh.
Tony Barthel
Or do any murdering on your own.
Peggy Barthel
Or be any part of any kind of a crime. But Don Barclay has compiled for you an entire book of places that you. If.
Peggy Barthel
If true crime is something that you like to travel and check out and see. Dawn has written a book that's a guide to true crime locations in New England. Not true crime hints and tips, just places that you can go to check out locations of true crime, law enforcement, even paranormal graves and tombstones and just all kinds of stuff.
Tony Barthel
I do want to say this is a departure for us. Yeah, it can.
Tony Barthel
It can get a bit grisly, I guess.
Peggy Barthel
A little, Little macabre. So I want to tell people there is a section where dawn reads from.
Tony Barthel
Her book and it's. Yeah, it's.
Tony Barthel
It's.
Peggy Barthel
I'm putting a warning in the video, but if you're listening by audio, when she starts to read, if you don't want to hear that part, it's about three and a half minutes of her reading. It's. It's true crimes.
Tony Barthel
It's dark.
Peggy Barthel
It's a little dark. And so if you don't want to hear that kind of thing, just skip three and a half minutes and, you know, save it for the reading, I guess. Today we have something different for us. Author Dawn Barclay is here with us and she wrote a book called Vacations can be Murder. This is the beginning of a series.
Peggy Barthel
But dawn, than, thank you so much for hanging out with us today and letting us know about some interesting places to be visited in New England.
Dawn Barclay
Well, thank you. It is the first book of a series of what I think will be 10 books. The subhead of the book is Vacation is Going to be Murder. A true crime lovers travel guide to New England.
Dawn Barclay
So yes, this book covers the six states of New England, but other books will be following.
Peggy Barthel
That's so exciting.
Tony Barthel
As an author, have you done other series or is this your first series or.
Dawn Barclay
I've written standalone fiction, which means they're not series, even though three of my books are set in a fictional real estate company called Rock Canyon Realty. But they're not related.
Dawn Barclay
And I've written one other standalone travel book which dealt with traveling with children on the spectrum, called Traveling different. And this is the first series I'm tackling that is non fiction.
Peggy Barthel
A lot of your fiction is like murder mysteries and stuff, right?
Dawn Barclay
Psychological, domestic, and romantic suspense. There's always somebody dead.
Tony Barthel
So people are dying to be written into your books.
Dawn Barclay
They are, they are.
Tony Barthel
How did you come about the focusing on the vacations? Because, I mean, we've had killer vacations in the past, but.
Dawn Barclay
Well, I've always been a travel writer.
Dawn Barclay
I wrote for many years for various travel trade magazines. And so I'm a veteran travel journalist. I wrote mostly about the business of travel. And so when I wrote my first nonfiction book, it was, as I said, a niche travel book about traveling with children on the spectrum. And when I was looking for other opportunities for nonfiction, they were always going to come from the perspective of travel.
Dawn Barclay
So there hadn't been any books written like this. I was in Minneapolis for a convention called Bouchercon, which is the World Mystery Writers Convention, and I went on a true crime tour of Minneapolis and St. Paul, and I enjoyed it. And I thought, I wonder if there are any books that list all the true crime tours around the country. And that was the seed for the idea for this series.
Peggy Barthel
That's great. And you started out with the seed of writing a book about the country, and then you realized there's way too many for one book, right?
Dawn Barclay
Yeah. Originally it was going to be one book. And then when I actually started writing, I think Maine, I said, you know, to my publisher, I think it's going to be three books.
Dawn Barclay
I think it's going to be East Coast, Midwest and West Coast. And then I started writing more and I said, nope, it's probably going to.
Peggy Barthel
Be about 10 books, one for every state.
Dawn Barclay
I got to tell you that New York had so much crime that I had to kick out three states from the Mid Atlantic book, which is coming out in August. And so that book is just New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
Peggy Barthel
Wow.
Tony Barthel
So do you get to go to these places as part of the research or what's that process like?
Dawn Barclay
That. That would kill me, actually. I have not gone.
Dawn Barclay
I mean, when I'm in town, I see some of the places that I write about. I'm traveling to Florida in a couple of weeks, and I'll be stopping at haunted restaurants and. And hotels. To check them out. But that's not the main purpose of the trip.
Dawn Barclay
I did extensive research through old newspapers, books, case law and historical societies who I contacted when I couldn't get the information. I needed other ways. So there was a lot of research. The bibliography is about 500 different entries. It's 40 pages, just the bibliography.
Dawn Barclay
So yeah, I did a lot of research.
Peggy Barthel
Wow, that's awesome.
Dawn Barclay
I will say that when, like when I was in Pennsylvania, I went to the Eastern State Penitentiary. And that was really interesting. And I did include my thoughts about that when I wrote up Pennsylvania.
Dawn Barclay
I also had gone to the Mutter Museum, which is a lot of medical oddities. And even though it doesn't necessarily fit right into this kind of book, I figured that the people who would be interested in true crime might be interested in the macabre aspect of the modern museums included that?
Tony Barthel
Oh yeah, without a doubt.
Peggy Barthel
So your books have true crime, some kind of law enforcement aspect to it, and graves and tombstones, but also some paranormal.
Dawn Barclay
Yeah, I included hotels that were either hotels and restaurants that are either crime and justice related or.
Dawn Barclay
Or they are haunted. And along with the true crime tours, I included ghost tours.
Tony Barthel
Oh, cool.
Dawn Barclay
When there's a soul that's not at rest, perhaps you know, there was some evil doing behind.
Peggy Barthel
Right.
Tony Barthel
Not having read it yet, of course. Is there a travel aspect? Like, hey, you should see this because of that. So sort of bringing actual travel into the book in addition to the fiction aspect of it.
Dawn Barclay
Well, there's no fiction in the book.
Dawn Barclay
I. This is totally non fiction travel guide. It's a travel companion.
Tony Barthel
Oh, blimey. Okay.
Tony Barthel
Oh.
Dawn Barclay
I start off every state by listing some of the crime statistics that have to do with that state. And then I give brief synopses of each of the major crimes that I found that were of interest that I've chosen to include. And then I have. Because those are so limited because I.
Dawn Barclay
I only had so much space to write. I also include lists of books that you can read to learn more. And then I list the. The hotels and restaurants that are either crime and justice related or haunted. And I list the museums that might be and other attractions that might be of interest.
Dawn Barclay
And then I list jails and who's. Who's incarcerated there, who was incarcerated there. And then I include the cemeteries where everybody's buried down to the plot number when I have them. And then I put everything together into easy to follow itineraries so that you're not backtracking. I've broken up each state into several different areas where you can, you know, do a one to three day tour.
Dawn Barclay
And I tell you as you go along, well, while you're here, you may want to stay at this haunted restaurant, stay at this haunted hotel. You might want to eat at this, this crime and justice related restaurant. And then at the end, I include victim resources. If God forbid, you're a victim of a crime, you know where to turn.
Tony Barthel
Oh, what a fantastic way to plan an adventure.
Dawn Barclay
Yeah, yeah, it's soft adventure. I, I think 2025 is going to be the year of the staycation because of what's going on with the economy. And I think this is a very affordable way to have a soft adventure and, you know, learn some history and feed into any. If you're a paranormal lover or you're a true crime lover, you're feeding into those passions.
Peggy Barthel
Right, Right.
Tony Barthel
Well, we know as podcasters, true crime is super, super hot right now.
Peggy Barthel
Yeah. Also as campers are there. If we go to that part. Well, when we go to that part of the country, are there like campgrounds we should avoid?
Peggy Barthel
Because there's.
Dawn Barclay
I don't have any campgrounds that you should avoid. I mean, I can tell you about. I have some information about crimes that happen in campgrounds if you'd like me to read those portions of the book to you.
Tony Barthel
Why not? Yes, please.
Dawn Barclay
They're a little gruesome, so I'm warning people in advance.
Peggy Barthel
Okay.
Tony Barthel
All right. Yeah. And if we think our audience might be too scared, we'll just save that for ourselves.
Peggy Barthel
Save it for Halloween.
Dawn Barclay
This is Shelburne, Vermont. The remains of a six year old baby killed in a Shelburne campground in July of 1999 were found in 2002 after the abandoned camper of Jason Michael Han was sold at auction in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. Evidence showed that the baby's head had been smashed against a crib and he died. Died shortly afterwards. Han and the baby's mother, Chrissy Werntz, arrived in Vermont in 1998 and she had been working at multiple jobs through west staff including Magic Hat Brewery, Rhino Foods and a bakery.
Dawn Barclay
The couple had stored the baby's remains in a plastic container and traveled around for 18 months before abandoning the camper in Arizona. They were apprehended in Portland, Maine in April of 2002 with a five year old son on the brink of death suffering from multiple broken bones, blood clots on his brain, hearing loss and eye damage. He was later renamed and adopted While serving a 27 to 30 year sentence for that crime. Han was also Found guilty of killing his two year old. Sorry, two month old daughter, Montana, while in Desert Hot Springs, California in 2001 and leaving the remains in a Wynne, Arkansas storage unit.
Dawn Barclay
Both he and Wurz were charged and the jury recommended the death sentence for first degree murder and assault on a child. In 2019, while on death row in San Quentin, an all male facility, Hahn changed names and gender identity and is now known as Jessica Marie Hahn. Wentz was sentenced to 15 years to life, which is. She is serving at a prison in Chowchilla, California. So that's one that was sort of tangentially including in a campground.
Dawn Barclay
The other one was in Allenstown, New Hampshire. Terry Peter Rasmussen, also known as the Chameleon Killer, was a serial murderer with multiple personalities. Sorry, multiple identities. Who unusually developed close relationships with his victims before killing them. Rasmussen was born in Colorado, but after extended stays in California and Arizona, he ended up in New Hampshire as quote Bob Evans in the late 1970s.
Dawn Barclay
In 1978, while still in California, he dated Merrill C. Elizabeth Honeychurch and her two daughters, Marie Elizabeth Vaughn and Sara Lynn McWalters McWaters. I'm sorry. They were last seen alive while enjoying Thanksgiving dinner with her family. By 1981, he was dating and living with Denise Bowden in Manchester, New Hampshire.
Dawn Barclay
Then she and her six month old daughter Lisa, aka Dawn, were also never seen again. The bodies of four of Rasmussen's victims, Honeychurch, Vaughn, McWaters and an unidentified child believed to be Rasmussen's biological daughter, were discovered in oil barrels in Bear Brook State park in Allenstown on two separate occasions in 1985 and 2000, but not identified until years later. It's believed Rasmussen relocated them to New Hampshire before killing Bowden, whose body was never recovered. Her daughter Lisa remained unharmed. Rasmussen kidnapped her and kept her for five years before abandoning her in a California.
Dawn Barclay
California RV park in 1986.
Tony Barthel
Man, these people are scumbags.
Dawn Barclay
Yeah, the whole book's full of them. And in New York I even included. I even have cannibals in New York.
Tony Barthel
Oh, man.
Peggy Barthel
Oh, boy.
Tony Barthel
Peggy, what's eating you?
Dawn Barclay
And those were actually very hard for me to read because whenever a child is involved, I, I get very upset.
Bob Zagami
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
And so very violent, you know.
Peggy Barthel
Okay, so. So this is the first. There's a kind of a sample of, of what you can find out and that's, you know, the camping ones. Now you can skip those.
Tony Barthel
No, you don't. You want to read the whole book.
Peggy Barthel
Of course. And then. And you said the next One is the New York area.
Dawn Barclay
New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. But what I should add is that in, in the snippets I don't include the exact addresses of everything, but in the itineraries I do. So you'll have addresses of major parts of the story. If it's an office building or an apartment building, you'll have the exact address. And if it's a private home, you'll have the block number like the 100 block of Main street, but not the exact house number.
Tony Barthel
I mean really.
Peggy Barthel
Because people don't want people throwing pizzas on their roof.
Tony Barthel
Oh yeah, that's for sure.
Dawn Barclay
A couple of things. If people want the books, they're available on Amazon, on Barnes and Noble, at Bookshop Dot.
Dawn Barclay
You can get your library to order them because they're on Ingram. So that's where libraries order them from. And that's fine. If you want your library to stock them, that would be great. But also, if you are a true crime or paranormal traveler and you would like to have or to share your story and be profiled on my blog, which is vacationscanbemurder.com I welcome people to contact me.
Dawn Barclay
So I can take tell your story or interview you and include the story. And if you have pictures, I'll include those as well.
Peggy Barthel
Great.
Tony Barthel
Oh, that's awesome.
Peggy Barthel
Okay, well, we look forward to the next book.
Dawn Barclay
This is what the COVID looks like.
Peggy Barthel
And your, your website, I'll put a link to it because you have a couple, right? You have.
Dawn Barclay
I have DM, DM Bar.com, which is my fiction website. And Vacations Could Be Murder is the website for this book or this series.
Tony Barthel
That's something I know people are going to want to see. That, that's, that that's I think right up our listeners alley, at least some of them. But don't like read these in the dark.
Dawn Barclay
If they're driving through it gives them somewhere interesting to travel to and visit.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Or places to avoid.
Dawn Barclay
Yeah. Okay.
Tony Barthel
Either way, buy the book and find. Find out for gosh sakes.
Peggy Barthel
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your time and for your books, of course. We really appreciate you hanging out with us and letting us know about this and we look forward to reading that book and all 10 of the coming up ones.
Dawn Barclay
Thank you very much. I appreciate your time.
Tony Barthel
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Tony Barthel
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Peggy Barthel
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Tony Barthel
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Peggy Barthel
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Peggy Barthel
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Peggy Barthel
We will see you again next week. And until then, Stressless Camping we hope.
John DiPietro
You learned a lot and had some fun and got some tips for your next stress less camping adventure. We're honored by your reviews on Apple Podcasts, which helps others find us too. Don't forget to subscribe so you won't.
Tony Barthel
Miss out on the adventure, and we.
John DiPietro
Look forward to your joining us next week. Until then, happy camping.
