New RV tech won't let your RV kill you
New safety tech keeps your RV from killing you
Can your RV kill you? A new protection standard can eliminate a shock hazard that’s not uncommon and we speak with RV electricity expert Mike Sokol about what this is and how you can be safe.
We also have a gadget that…well…seems to make some people mad!
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Automated transcript of StressLess Camping RV podcast episode 330
Peggy
Can your RV kill you?
Tony
A new protection standard can eliminate a shock hazard that's not uncommon. And we speak with RV electricity expert Mike Sokol about what this is and how you can be safe.
Peggy
We also have a gadget that we kind of like and we might make some people mad when we use it.
Tony
This electrifying discussion can be found at our home on the web along with deals, discounts, helpful tips, our weekly podcast and more.
Peggy
Don't forget to like and share and thank you for joining us for episode 330. Stressless camping.
Tony
I'm Tony.
Peggy
I'm Peggy.
Tony
I work to RV industry veterans who travel part time.
Peggy
In a Rockwood Mini Lite.
Tony
Looking to share big adventures and help you with great tips, tricks and discounts.
Peggy
I think it's been a minute since you've seen this scene. We haven't recorded in the office in a while.
Tony
No, that's true.
Tony
These mics I had to Dust off!
Peggy
Even when we came home, I think we kept going out to the camper to record.
Tony
Why wouldn't we?
Peggy
I don't know why we aren't today. It's kind of windy, maybe the noise.
Tony
Yeah, if you don't know New Mexico, especially where we are, is the desert. Forget Chicago being the windy city. We should put up a wind turbine here because it is windy.
Peggy
It is.
Tony
But that's okay.
Peggy
So today we are going to speak to Mike sokal again. Not that, that's not again in a bad way. That's again in a good way. Mike is great to talk to and help us explain. And honestly, I think I ex, I understand things that he talked about today better than I do most of the time when he and Tony have conversations.
Peggy
We just wanted to share Mike sokal's website with you. Maybe this will be a QR code right here website in the Show Notes, Mike Sokul, what is his website?
Tony
It's RV Electricity.
Peggy
RV Electricity.
Tony
And it's a brand new website.
Tony
And this week, somebody asked Mike, Can I use the electric brakes on my travel trailer as like kind of extra chocks, right? You know, you pull that little pin and it activates your brakes and it's like an electric chalk sort of kind of, but the answer is no, don't do that. And Mike even showed how that brake the little little pin box that that has melted because somebody did that. That's no good.
Peggy
Because that's for like a quick emergency break.
Peggy
It's not for staying on a long time, huh? Right. Yeah.
Tony
It's basically to stop your trailer if it somehow becomes disconnected from the truck.
Peggy
Never occurred to me to use it as a chalk.
Tony
Yeah, I've thought about it. I'm like, wouldn't that be cool? And I know there are a few RVs here in the US that have mechanical brakes that you can set as a chalk, including like Embers Touring Edition, or no, Embers Overland Edition, and a few other beast mode trailers with the Curt Independent Suspension.
Peggy
But those really aren't electronic. No, that's a mechanical thing that you jam up against the tire.
Tony
Yeah, and remember Christopher from Embers, Christopher Barth, who's one of the founders of Embers, said they have replaced a few of those because people forgot to release them.
Peggy
Whoops. Whoops.
Tony
Yeah, checklist make for stressless camping.
Peggy
Okay, well, this week we are talking about electricity, which you probably guessed by the fact that Mike Sokol is a guest.
Peggy
We're either talking about electricity or beer, probably both. Yeah. And this week we're going to talk about hot skins and how the RV industry has come around to making sure that they don't kill us. Yeah.
Tony
All right, we should go.
Peggy
All right.
Tony
We are here.
Mike Sokol
Oh, you're not, you mean me? Oh, yeah.
Tony
We have the privilege of a repeat offender joining us, a man who has been on several podcast episodes on our live streams, and just a fun guy to hang out with and drink some beers.
Tony
The world famous RV electricity expert, Mr. Mike Sokol.
Mike Sokol
Howdy, everybody.
Tony
Mike, you have been involved in a project to keep our RVs from killing us.
Mike Sokol
Yeah, indeed, I have. I've been And I started working on the general ideas of this about 15 years ago when I first started writing for the RV world.
Mike Sokol
And this is to help prevent something that's called hot skin voltage. But this really got fired up about three or four years ago when it was codified by the NEC and is going to go into effect the end of sometimes perhaps third quarter of 2026.
Peggy
Okay, couple things right off. What's NEC?
Mike Sokol
I was gonna try to think something pithy, but it's actually National Electrical Code.
Peggy
Okay, and what's hot skin?
Mike Sokol
Okay, so a hot skin, yeah, well, you know, it's the only the RV industry calls it that. Everybody else, well, it can mean a very different thing. But we, the other industries would call it a step voltage or a contact voltage.
Mike Sokol
All it means is that the skin of your RV and the chassis and all the other metal parts have an elevated voltage, an AC voltage, something above earth ground, which could mean if you contact it while you're standing on the dirt, wet dirt, you can get shocked or electrocuted.
Peggy
While you're grounded.
Mike Sokol
And- While you are grounded, yes.
Tony
You now become the conductor of that power.
Mike Sokol
You exactly, you are exactly right.
Mike Sokol
You become the conductor to earth. That electricity is looking to go somewhere. And if you get in the middle of it, it goes through you.
Tony
That's no good. And it's not uncommon.
Tony
And I think some people might think, oh, this is just if you have an aluminum skinned RV or an older RV. And in some cases with this, it's not your RV at all, sort of kind of.
Mike Sokol
Exactly. It can be your RV, but in many cases, it's the pedestal, how it's wired. It can be a break in your shore power connection, dog bone adapter or whatever.
Mike Sokol
And this can create a hazardous condition you may not even know exists if you're standing on dry ground, but then if it rains and you step up and touch your RV while standing on wet ground and wet shoes, then you can get a shock. So a lot of people feel little shocks and they say, oh, that's no big deal until it gets wet and rains and then it becomes a very big deal.
Peggy
So to make sure that I understand, so basically there's kind of a current of your RV has a current to it. All, you know, if you have this condition and you don't know it if you don't touch it and you don't know it if you're inside because it's on the outside on the where the metal is and you're not grounded if you're inside.
Mike Sokol
Correct.
Peggy
But once you become grounded and you touch the outside and that current is running through the RV, all those things happen and that's hot skin. And that's where the danger is.
Mike Sokol
That's when you, that's when you get a fault current through you. You're exactly right. And, you know, some people think that it's only on metal RVs, but virtually everything that's metal on your RV, that the, your, you know, your trailer tongue, your wheels, your propane tank, your bumpers, your tow vehicle that's hooked to it, all of those things are tied together.
Mike Sokol
So if you get a hot skin voltage on one thing, then it appears everywhere.
Tony
And something you and I talked about, let's say somewhere three sites over, something happens to the pedestal or the RV that can actually come in and shock you.
Mike Sokol
Yeah, it's something I have to come up with the names for these things because a lot of the industry doesn't realize they exist. It's something I call a reflected hot skin condition. And so that's when a campground has a miswiring problem on their pedestals.
Mike Sokol
And you have a loop of pedestals, typically like six of these that are kind of daisy chained together. And if it loses the ground connection of that loop back to the main circuit breaker panel, the big panel with all the circuit breaker things in it, anything that happens on one of the RVs there happens on all of the RVs. So somebody could have developed a hot skin two or three or four pedestals away from you, it ends up on your RV.
Tony
Now, something that fascinated me as we started talking about this, if you have an EMS or a surge suppressor, it will not prevent this.
Mike Sokol
Yeah, yeah, there's the tricky thing.
Mike Sokol
So how they work, and I have in my little Funk Works lab here, located on Funkstown Hill in Funkstown, Maryland. I've tested all of these things. And so what they do is they sit there and look for a voltage, if you have a fancy surge protector, right? It can go in, like an EMS or an extended one, it can say, oops, there's a voltage happening on the ground. And then it can say, I'm going to just shut off power to myself, but it can't shut off the ground, the voltage coming in from the other ground, from the outside ground.
Mike Sokol
They're not allowed to do that. So what happens is your power just goes off in your RV, and then but your skin is still hot of your RV. That's like the really kind of scary thing.
Peggy
So it essentially turns off the wiring system in your RV, but it still.
Mike Sokol
Doesn'T shut off the power.
Mike Sokol
It's got a big relay contact. It shuts the power off going into your RV, but it cannot shut off that outside that external hot skin voltage.
Tony
So the ground plug, it shuts off the hot and neutral, but not the ground.
Mike Sokol
Correct.
Tony
So there's, if you think about this on your electrical system, there, when you plug in, there's three prongs, right?
Tony
There's the two blades, if you're a, well, two blades and then a round.
Peggy
Yes.
Tony
And what a surge suppressor shuts off are those two blades, but not that ground. So you're still connected.
Mike Sokol
You're connected.
Mike Sokol
Now, if the campground is wired properly, everything's okay. And I've seen campgrounds, they say, well, somebody up the, you know, two pedestals over or whatever, you know, they add a water, busted water heater element, which is can be one source of this ground fault current. And let's say that none of your RVs, that break in the wire from that loop is broken going over to the pedestal and, excuse me, going over to the, the mains, the main circuit breaker panel, that 80 or 100 volts appearing on the one RV now becomes all five or six of your RVs right there now have exactly the same voltage. They are grounded together, but not grounded to ground. How's that?
Tony
Interesting. And so the RV industry is riding in on their big white horse to save us coming up, sort of, kind of.
Mike Sokol
It is coming up. And I've been aware of this for a very long time. You know, I've got, I have access to all of the diagrams and the listings and the codifications and all the bits and pieces of it.
Mike Sokol
So I know exactly how these things are supposed to work. And what they do and what they don't do.
Tony
So what is coming late 2026?
Mike Sokol
Okay, they call it a GMI for Grounding Monitor Interrupter. So it really does three things.
Mike Sokol
First off, it's a grounding thing. So what it makes sure that your RV is connected to the main service panel's ground bus. That is the neutral ground bond. And then the second thing it does, it monitors it constantly to look for a failure a break in the wiring, loose connections, any of the other things. And then guess what the interrupter thing does?
Mike Sokol
Interrupts that incoming fault problem, right? And the newest ones have the ability to disconnect the ground as well as the hot and the neutral. So that's what they call a level two GMI. So what it can do is completely isolate your RV from whatever you've plugged it into.
Peggy
Now, did you say a little while ago that current EMS systems are not allowed to break that ground?
Mike Sokol
That's correct. But I think there's been some, say why? Well, because, okay, so here's the thing. Grounds are considered to be so important that they don't want to have a contact or anything in the middle of it. I mean, they just run the wire through.
Mike Sokol
So the newest one, what it does, there's a timing thing, it needs to have a separate contact so that when you plug in, The first thing it does, if it decides it's going to have power, is it turns on the ground first and then it turns on the AC power. And then when you disconnect, turn it off, it turns off the power first and then it disconnects that. Think of it like a British plug board power plug. If any of you guys are familiar with UK power, the ground pin's longer first or all of them, though the ground pin is longer. So when you start pushing it into the receptacle, what's the first thing that touches?
Mike Sokol
The ground pin, and then the other pins touch. And the reverse of that happens when you pull out. So there's some time, it's got some timing issues and such, but up to this point, none of the surge protectors out there by any of the main manufacturers have had the ability to disconnect the ground wire, because nobody thought it was necessary.
Tony
Yeah, and that was by code too, correct? They weren't allowed to.
Mike Sokol
They weren't allowed to do that. In the same way, you cannot have a circuit breaker or a fuse on a ground or neutral for the same kind of reasons. It used to be in the theaters going back into the early 1900s, they would put fuses on the neutral buses because Edison wanted to protect his precious copper wires. But then when that fuse would blow, then you had lighting people and theaters being electrocuted. Seriously, this is a listen.
Tony
I don't know why I laughed at that.
Mike Sokol
I know, I know. Tony, stop.
Peggy
The ground won't be interrupted currently. The ground doesn't get interrupted so that there's not an accidental interruption of ground but not interruption of other power.
Peggy
Is that correct?
Mike Sokol
Correct. That was the theory up to this point. But again, if you have a failed Ground wire or any place else, let's say that you have a hot ground coming in from the outside. The earlier EMSs could not disconnect you from the hot ground.
Mike Sokol
So your power would go off, your AC 120 volts coming in, but now the chassis of your RV would be sitting there at 120 volts.
Tony
No, that's not good.
Mike Sokol
No, oh no, no, no. I've seen it. I've had people email me about it and I said, well, it should be obvious.
Mike Sokol
And they look at me like, what? And I'm going, well, I know how they're wired.
Tony
And so basically this new gadget, the GMI, is going to be installed on all 2020s, probably it'll be 2027 model year, right?
Mike Sokol
I mean, if it's supposed to come in, okay, so I believe the NEC, National Electrical Code, comes in at End of June, I think, of 2026 will be the- every three year, there's a- every three years, there's a new addition, right? So it's supposed to be like the end of the June, end of June is when it's supposed to go into compliance, but they have like a three month kind of grace period.
Mike Sokol
It's supposed to be in by fourth quarter, sometime between third and fourth quarter of 2026, all new RVs built in the United States will be required to have this GMI unit built into them.
Peggy
Okay, and so this will always be a separate thing from the EMS.
Mike Sokol
Completely different. Now, it can have a lot of the same functionality of an EMS. So it's okay for it to include reverse polarity and high and low voltage things, but that's not its main requirement.
Mike Sokol
It just depends on the particular model that you've got.
Tony
This will be installed physically in the RVs. So it's not something you can, I mean, unless you get in there and physically remove it, it's not something you can disable, nor should you.
Peggy
No.
Mike Sokol
Correct.
Mike Sokol
Yeah, it's not gonna be easily disabled. You'd have to be yanking boxes out and changing all kinds of stuff around. So it's not supposed to be easily disabled. Correct.
Peggy
And that's why it's not just going to be a new style of plug-in EMS.
Mike Sokol
Exactly, exactly.
Peggy
That relies on the user to use it properly because I know a lot of users don't use an EMS at all.
Mike Sokol
Yeah, they don't, they don't. And, you know, there will probably be aftermarket ones, I know people are probably working on these things, that you can buy one for your earlier trailer if you want that would plug into the pedestal which would do this stuff. But right now, the main thing we're focused on is getting the, these units installed in the new 2026 versions, unless there's been another push back on the date, or we'll see.
Tony
I'm a fan of the RV industry and an advocate, but they do like to push back on safety regulations.
Mike Sokol
Yeah, this is all supposed to be in place right now, but it's been pushed back by a year.
Tony
Oh boy. Well, that's, that's, yeah, no comment.
Mike Sokol
That's just, that's just how it works, you know that.
Peggy
So currently there's no plan to force every RV owner to take your RV in and get one of these put in retroactively.
Mike Sokol
Right, there's no retrofit stuff at all required. But you know, and now what has happened though, there's been kind of a lot of confusion from all the variety of press releases saying exactly where these are going to be installed. So a number of them have incorrectly posted that these are going to be installed in campground pedestals. They're not installed in pedestals.
Mike Sokol
That was, from what I can determine, a number of the big media outlets had created press releases using AI.
Tony
Yeah, it might be artificial, but it's not very intelligent.
Mike Sokol
Yeah, everything exactly backwards. And they said they were going to be in all of the pedestals. I'm calling up my guys and saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not what's happening. But it's still, the stuff is still floating around.
Mike Sokol
And now AI has gotten a hold of it. And it says, oh, now they're saying, well, it can also be in both the pedestals and the RVs. No, no, no, no, no. This is only in the RVs. Now, what it does mean is the pedestals have to be properly wired per code going back 20-odd years, maybe longer.
Mike Sokol
It's got to have a proper ground, it's got to be proper polarity. And, you know, what the GMI does is actually tests the ground impedance itself. So it works kind of backwards of what a GFCI does. A GFCI looks for an imbalance in the leakage current. It waits for you to start getting shocked and then it disconnects you.
Mike Sokol
That's how a GFCI works. This does it proactively and tests it before you get shocked.
Tony
That sounds good.
Mike Sokol
Did you know you can actually get shocked off of GFCI? I've done it.
Tony
Oh, man.
Mike Sokol
Just just putting it out there.
Tony
You're paid to explode and blow up things.
Peggy
Have you done it intentionally or it just is a thing that can happen?
Mike Sokol
No, no, no, I've done this intentionally.
Mike Sokol
I've done this intentionally. And I'm very, very careful with this. It's all calculated. It's all, you know, I'm really, really careful. I do it across one hand so I don't get my heart in the middle of it.
Mike Sokol
I'm really, really careful with this stuff, but it's easy to generate a tingle. Off of a GFCI, not trip it. And I've seen guitar players and such do this and they don't realize that they're getting a less than five milliamp shock because they're plugged into an ungrounded outlet and they say, I just need a GFCI, that'll protect me. And I go, well, yeah, but it waits for something to get shocked.
Tony
So basically, if you get one of these RVs that right now are not on the market but will be soon, all you have to do is plug it in and this thing will be working.
Mike Sokol
Correct. As long as you plug into a properly wired receptacle in a campground or your house or whatever.
Tony
And if it is not properly wired, then the thing will basically stop electricity from coming into your RV and there's no way around it except wire properly.
Mike Sokol
Exactly. Now, they'll give you an alert of some sort.
Mike Sokol
I know some of them have a light or a beeper or an app or whatever. So there's supposed to be some sort of enunciator that tells you that, that there has been a ground failure. But yeah, there's no work around it. If you're plugged into a pedestal that's not properly wired, it's just not gonna let, your RV will not let power come in, that the GMI built inside of your RV. So it's not a pedestal decision.
Peggy
Right.
Mike Sokol
Your RV, the GMI inside of your RV is querying the pedestal to try to find out if the power is correct or not.
Tony
Now, if you have a generator, those are not grounded. Will there be a workaround for people with generators?
Mike Sokol
You should be able to use a bonding plug that I invented, you know, that little three pin thing.
Mike Sokol
You know, I should have patented this like 15 years ago.
Tony
You should have.
Mike Sokol
I thought everybody knew this. I think everybody knows this stuff.
Tony
You'd be so rich, you wouldn't be talking to us.
Mike Sokol
You know, I wouldn't be drinking light beer. I would be.
Tony
Oh, I see.
Mike Sokol
You should be doing import.
Mike Sokol
Like the good stuff that you bring to the, rallies. That's the stuff I won't be able to afford.
Tony
I do like good beer.
Peggy
So if you get to a campground in this new RV and it has this GMI and you use your EMS for those other two legs of the power and everything is fine, does everything stay fine or can the campground have a ground problem like suddenly, you know, like a surge of some sort that causes, like, you've been fine for two days and all of a sudden it trips.
Mike Sokol
Yes, it knows.
Mike Sokol
That's the monitoring. That's the M function. So it will continuously monitor this stuff. Now, there's a really, really interesting thing that, that, that I noted and did a video about several months ago. And I, and I knew this for 25 years working in the sound, pro sound stuff, because I teach a lot of this for keeping musicians from getting electrocuted on stage.
Mike Sokol
And that is if you have a three light tester, you've seen those little guys, right?
Peggy
Oh, yeah.
Mike Sokol
Plugged into your RV and it says that you have that first day it says, I have two amber lights and no red light. Okay, it just says, you know, did you have proper polarity? And then it looks like you have reverse polarity.
Mike Sokol
And then the next day it looks like you have correct polarity. Nobody is flipping the neutral and hot wires. A incoming hot ground from a reflected hot skin condition will cause those things to say that it's a reverse polarity when it is in fact a hot ground coming in. So for decades that I talked to the RV industry about this, everybody kept telling me that a reverse polarity is what causes a hot skin voltage. But that's not true.
Peggy
Do.
Mike Sokol
A hot skin voltage causes these meters to misread it as reverse polarity. Isn't that crazy? I've got the videos to prove it.
Tony
Interesting.
Tony
So if you're on, because for those who don't know, the way campgrounds are typically wired, there's a main panel and then they have legs of could be two campsites, could be 20 campsites, whatever the number. So you're all sharing basically that leg with all those other RVs. And if Billy Bob Bubba comes with his trailer that has, as you mentioned earlier, like a fried electrical heater element in their water heater.
Mike Sokol
Yes.
Tony
That's not a hot water heater.
Mike Sokol
And it's a cold water heater.
Tony
It could be that you've been camping for three days and all of a sudden this GMI shuts you down hard.
Peggy
Okay. It could.
Mike Sokol
Right now it now here's that now if the if the but the only way that you can get this reflected hot skin condition is if the pedestal is miswired to begin with that whole loop is miswired and the GMI should be able to detect that the first time you plug in.
Mike Sokol
So it's proactive. It is not waiting for a voltage to happen. It is it is double checking to make sure the ground is acceptable two different things.
Tony
Okay.
Peggy
So the ground being acceptable, that status doesn't change.
Mike Sokol
It shouldn't unless something breaks.
Peggy
When you plug in immediately, that tells the answer.
Mike Sokol
Exactly, exactly. So immediately it knows this. So when you plug in, you should never have a voltage appear on your RV from somebody else's RV unless the campground is miswired to begin with.
Peggy
With.
Mike Sokol
And that could be something like a corroded terminals, somebody that's, you know, dug a shovel in and busted through a wire. I mean, campgrounds really don't follow a lot of code in many cases.
Tony
Well, how many times have we gotten to an RV park and you plug the 30 amp in and it's so loose it, you have to somehow figure out how to keep it in. And that's just, that is kind of bad.
Mike Sokol
And this ground right there is dangerous for you and it will the GMI will shut down and says, I'm not going to take it. I won't take that power.
Tony
So while this is not necessarily a problem for RV parks, it's going to be a problem for RV parks, but only because you need to fix your stuff.
Mike Sokol
You need to clean up your act, realistically. And I think that's a good thing, which is I'm working on an SOP, a standard operating procedure, basically, and a decision chart.
Mike Sokol
That will help Campground owners get their pedestals ready for this incoming RVs. And they'd say, well, they won't be coming for a while, but they're going to be coming by the end of 2026 and by spring of 27. Guess what? There's going to be, you know, 500, 000 RVs in there that have got this floating around.
Peggy
Yeah.
Peggy
And if you get a bad reputation for having bad power, It might have a longer lasting effect than just the month that it's going to take you to fix it before it happens.
Mike Sokol
Right, it'll be self-regulating and the key of course is, you know, a lot of this is just pretty straightforward stuff. But here's the trick. You cannot use just a standard multimeter to confirm that your pedestal is going to be appropriately grounded that a GMI will approve.
Tony
So is there going to need to be a new testing gadget?
Mike Sokol
There is. There is. And you can get this. There are stock meters that will do this, but they are not the multimeters that you've seen. And I've been doing stuff with these specialty meters for 50 years, five zero years since the mid 70s, since my job in the pro audio world was to get rid of hum and sound systems, a hum and buzz out of sound systems while keeping the musicians from dying on stage.
Mike Sokol
I would do this stuff all the way up to the level of Beyonce. I mean, I had all kinds of shows and, you know, and I was always extremely cautious to make sure everything was properly grounded and bonded. And I had to get rid of hums and buzzes without creating dangerous wiring conditions.
Tony
Because, I mean, having a musician die on stage is great for your social media, but it's a hard act to repeat.
Peggy
It is.
Mike Sokol
And, and, and also that I found even on smaller situations, if If in fact, if a performer got shocked and just putting their wet lips on the microphone while they're holding on guitar, they could just refuse to play the show. They just walk off the stage. I have seen that happen. They didn't die on stage, but they just said, Everything's wrong. Everything's wrong.
Peggy
Yeah.
Mike Sokol
The key is, it doesn't, yeah, it's a dangerous situation.
Tony
It really is.
Peggy
So I have one more EMS question. Do we, when we use, like we use the Hughes Power Watch dog, When we plug that in and it tells us if the pedestal is giving us good power, does it not tell us that the ground is bad?
Peggy
No. Is that one of the things it looks at? No.
Mike Sokol
It tells you, is there a voltage between the ground and the neutral, but it doesn't monitor the ability of the ground wire to carry a fault current. And here's the other thing, look up RPBG, reverse polarity bootleg ground.
Mike Sokol
Another thing that I've had to name and discovered that was out there named. And that is when the ground wire, it doesn't exist in an outlet and somebody jumpers it. They do a bootleg ground and accidentally get the polarity reversed, which I've seen hundreds of bars, churches, carnival stages, all kinds of crazy stuff. Your RV, your skin of your RV, the chassis of your guitar amp, anything is now sitting at 120 volts. Connected directly to the hot wire coming in with full circuit breaker current behind it.
Mike Sokol
And guess what? Everything works. Everything works. Except guess what? It will kill you.
Tony
Chris Darty was talking about that, about working on an RV at a carnival, and he reached up and touched the chassis and.
Peggy
Oh, gosh.
Mike Sokol
Yeah. Oh, yeah. We all have our stories.
Mike Sokol
And, you know, once I started discussing this, I've had my contractor say, oh, yeah, I remember getting shocked on this, that and the other thing. And I couldn't figure out why I was getting a hot ground. And they would do this in old houses and old churches where they'd only had the, you know, the non grounded outlets and somebody just would go replace them and just put a little jumper inside of their receptacle, just to basically to fool the three light tester. I saw this happen in my dad's house. I've had it happen in my house, which is 102 years old.
Mike Sokol
I found out receptacles that were wired like that. I'm like, oh, brother.
Tony
I have my own little grounding story where I almost burned my own house down. Actually, I didn't really almost burn it down. I almost blew it up because it wouldn't have been a fire that would have been to leak and that happened to be a gas line.
Mike Sokol
Oh, oh, that would be very bad.
Tony
Oh, yeah. I've never seen our plumber who our plumber who was a rather tan guy looked so white when he saw this.
Mike Sokol
This is terrifying stuff. And, you know, and that's the key, the new GMI.
Mike Sokol
It's going to, you know, it's going to add something to the cost of each RV, but it shouldn't be a lot. You know, it's probably, it's hard to say, you know, 100, 200 bucks, something, I don't know. But it, but will it, what it will do is make you safer just like GFCIs do. And, you know, if your campground is not properly wired, you're not going to get power. And this is also, if you go to plug your RV into a garage outlet, this is where a lot of people get injured.
Mike Sokol
You know, they just have their RV, they want to charge up in a, their batteries overnight, you know, plugged in on an extension cord in their driveway. Without a, if you don't have a properly grounded extension cord, it won't allow you to charge your batteries. It was a couple of years ago, two bass fishermen with their aluminum bass boat were in a parking lot of a, of a hotel, and they had just run an extension cord in to plug it into something that was not a GFCI outlet. Outlet. They came out in the mornings while there's walked in while it had rained and they're in a puddle and they touched aluminum boat and it killed them.
Tony
Oh, geez.
Mike Sokol
It's that kind of stuff.
Tony
Well, I'm glad that you have helped us all get our RVs to quit killing us.
Peggy
Yes.
Tony
I mean, this really is.
Mike Sokol
Good. People in the RV industry think that I'm a doomsayer. All I'm telling you is if you feel a shock, you should stop and go figure this stuff out. The safety devices are there to help you. Think of this as kind of like, Well, this is why do you have tire pressure monitor systems, right?
Mike Sokol
Because you want to know it's proactive. It doesn't wait until your tire shreds and blows off the RV and tears everything up. It lets you know that there is a problem.
Tony
Yep, absolutely.
Peggy
Just like the temperature gauge, the battery.
Mike Sokol
Gauge, all of those things.
Peggy
Gas gauge in your car.
Mike Sokol
Proactive, don't wait for the steam to come blowing out of your radiator. You want to know if it's hot or not, right? So this does the same sort of thing.
Mike Sokol
I think it's a good thing. There will be some growing pains with it, just like anything else done properly, though, it will save lives and prevent people from, you know, getting injured.
Tony
We applaud that. That's.
Peggy
That's.
Mike Sokol
Yes, I think it's. I think it's a great thing. Yes, it is.
Peggy
We.
Tony
When I was in balloon Fiesta, you know, it's dry and staticky.
Tony
And I was there with Rich Lure from Airstream life. And I touched the control panel on our power package on, you know, on the Master Volt system, and I got a. Shock, but it wasn't a shock. It was static.
Peggy
Right.
Mike Sokol
Static. Static is a different thing.
Peggy
Yes.
Tony
And he was like, oh my gosh, because he had just written about this GMI system and he freaked out. He's like, Let me go get my meter.
Tony
And I'm like, no, no, dude, it's just static. Trust me, we were not plugged into anything.
Mike Sokol
Let me tell you a brief static story. Okay. I had one of the guys I was working with.
Mike Sokol
He had a jug of water, a plastic jug of water. On the floor of his car. And it was sliding around on the carpet. And when he would go in and take a sip out of it, it shocked him on the tongue. Oh, and how is that?
Peggy
It's electrified water.
Mike Sokol
If you take a piece of plastic and you rub it on carpet, what does it do? It creates static electricity. So now inside of it, now you have an insulated surface and you've got a bunch of water in there. You've created what's called a Leyden jar.
Mike Sokol
So it's toward the charge, which then he picked up with his feet on the carpet. When he tipped it back, it shocked him on the tongue. Oh, and he kept saying, how is that possible? And I said, oh, I know exactly how that happened. This is fascinating.
Mike Sokol
Don't do it again.
Tony
You know what's not funny, except a little bit, is when we had dogs and carpet and they would, you know, they would create static electricity, and then they'd come and smell you, and it would shock their nose.
Mike Sokol
Yeah, shock your nose. Oh, the nose is. It's very sensitive on a dog.
Mike Sokol
And by the way, your own tongue is too. This is why we do 9-volt batteries on our tongue to make sure that they're good or not. But it's not going to kill you just as a tingle. But it takes surprisingly little voltage to get your attention.
Tony
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Peggy
Thank you so much for explaining all this. I, you know, it's always a good thing when there's a conversation with Mike Sokol and Peggy goes away feeling like maybe she understood the conversation.
Mike Sokol
Oh, yeah.
Peggy
No, no, no.
Mike Sokol
It's straightforward.
Mike Sokol
You know, that's one of the things, if you just start reading all of the press releases or reading books on it, it's, man, it's really hard to cut through all the engineering jargon. You know, I tell everybody, I am just a simple man who has to do really, really complicated things.
Peggy
So thank you for helping me understand it. I feel like if I understand it, most of the listeners out there are going to understand it. And so thank you for helping the RV industry develop this and letting us know how it's going to work.
Peggy
And when it's coming. And as always, thanks for joining us. And now, what was that thing you said about beer?
Mike Sokol
Every 1000 views that you get on this, Tony and I are gonna have to chug a beer.
Tony
I like it. All right. Oh man, let's hope this sets another video.
Mike Sokol
Let's hope.
Mike Sokol
All right, very good, guys.
Tony
All right, were you all charged up about that?
Peggy
Uh oh.
Tony
Was it an electrifying conversation?
Peggy
Okay.
Peggy
Oh, that's it. Only two.
Tony
That's all I could think of right now, but I'm sure I'll think of more.
Peggy
I'm sure you will.
Tony
Oh, I almost just busted out my teeth.
Peggy
Whoa. Don't do that. So we learned a lot, and that's terrific. And I, like I said before, I think I understand things better than I normally do when Tony and Mike talk, you know, that electrical stuff, really, there's a lot to.
Tony
And you know what?
Tony
I don't even scratch the surface of what Mike does.
Peggy
Oh, for sure. Yeah.
Tony
Mike is a smart guy.
Peggy
Yeah.
Peggy
So what I said to Tony after we talked to Mike is now I'm a little bit afraid of RV park pedestals. So it's a darn good thing that we have our own power.
Tony
Well, yeah, that's true. We have our Master Volt power system that was installed by ABC Upfitters. And there's a lot of things that that it can do.
Tony
The obvious thing is we have all this lithium power and all these solar panels so we could camp off the grid. But for example, let's say you go to Uncle Fester's house and all Uncle Fester has is a regular household plug, a 20 amp, well supposedly 20 amp, they're usually not a regular household plug in the garage and you want to there, the Master Volt system will let you dial down how much power the trailer pulls from the wall so that you can use that to kind of as supplemental power, but then use the battery in your trailer as your main power source. So that's one of the many things that that Master Volt system can do. You can chill the fridge overnight before you leave. You can run the air conditioner before you get to the campground, which is something we've been known to do.
Peggy
Yes.
Tony
So not only is it the obvious thing, yeah, you can camp off the grid and it works great, but also you can kind of change some of the thinking of camping. Pull over to the rest stop, turn on the air conditioner and be comfortable for, you know, having lunch or whatever. So the good thing is the kind folks at ABC Upfitters who install these Master Volt systems ask you a whole whole bunch of questions if you're going to think about working with them.
Peggy
And the reason that they do that is not everyone wants or needs the same amount of power.
Peggy
Some people just want to make sure that they can cool their refrigerator overnight before they go on a trip. Some people just want to maybe boondock one night on the middle of a trip. Some people never want to use another power pedestal, not only because they're afraid of hot and they just don't want to.
Tony
Right, so the good thing is they'll ask you a lot of questions. They kind of configure a system that works the way you like to camp, and then it's installed properly.
Tony
And talking to Mike made me really realize again or kind of remember how many things can go wrong in an RV when things aren't done properly. And we know so many people now who have had these Master Vault systems put in by ABC Upfitters. And truthfully, they just work. The wiring is proper, the connections are proper, the fuses are proper, the installation is proper. It's all done at top quality.
Peggy
And it's all made to go together.
Mike Sokol
That's true.
Peggy
It's not like a piece from brand A and a piece from brand B and a piece from brand C. Those words were hard to say. Plugged together and then as we've said before, then who takes the blame when something doesn't work? Is it brand A or B or C?
Peggy
And they're all going to point fingers at the other.
Tony
Yeah, yeah, that's true. So anyway, if that's the kind of reliability and stressless camping that you would like to enjoy, give our friends at ABC Upfitters a shout. You can call them on the phone at 574-333-3225.
Peggy
That's 574-333-3225.
Tony
Or we have a bunch of videos and interviews with them on our home on the web. You can get to know them starting there and reach out to them through links on that page. But they're good people. They do good work and we are fully satisfied.
Peggy
Absolutely.
Tony
And that's a good thing. So we have a gadget.
Peggy
We do.
Tony
Last time that we had a similar gadget, some of you got mad at us.
Peggy
Yeah. Okay. So here's the thing. People camp for the reasons that they want to camp. Right?
Tony
True.
Peggy
Some of those people want to camp so that they can sit outside by a campfire or so that they can sit outside and look at the stars. Those are wonderful, wonderful, wonderful reasons to go camping. Yes. Some people like to camp in groups.
Peggy
And if you're with a group and everyone in the group wants to watch a movie projected on the side of.
Tony
Your camper or on a screen of some sort.
Peggy
And you're not disturbing other campers, then this gadget might be a gadget that would be for you.
Tony
This is a projector that somebody sent us. It is the specifically M-A, well, the company is M-A-G-C-U-B-I-C.
Tony
I believe it's MagCubic.
Peggy
I say MagCubic. Now, I have to admit that for the first 400 times that I read the word, I saw MagCubic. Like, you know, the old flashbulbs.
Tony
Oh, my gosh.
Tony
Oh, totally. Oh, my gosh.
Peggy
That's what I thought of for the first couple of months. I kept seeing Magic Cube, but it's not Magic Cube. It's Magic cubic.
Tony
Yeah, Magic cubic. And it's specifically the HY 310x 4K mini projector. Now, here's the thing. So we've been.
Peggy
It has pretty many.
Tony
It is. It's very light. And when we got it. They sent it to us to try out. I opened the box and I'm like, man, that thing is light.
Tony
And truthfully, if you look online, these things are under a hundred bucks. And you're like, dude, what?
Peggy
You don't expect.
Tony
What are you gonna get for a hundred dollars in a projector? Now, the good thing about under a hundred bucks projector is if you take it camping and a bear eats, It's only a hundred bucks.
Peggy
Or another camper goes in a rage and smashes it against a rock.
Mike Sokol
Yeah.
Tony
I mean, it's- Don't do that, by the way. Really inexpensive. But so my expectations were super low.
Peggy
Sure.
Tony
I mean, come on. I've seen this for under even $80. So it almost seems too cheap. And you know what they say?
Tony
If it's too cheap, if it seems too cheap to be- It's true. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, that expression. I know some of you are yelling at your radio or your phone or at us on YouTube, wherever you are.
Peggy
Okay, so something to know about us, we use a projector in our home, right?
Peggy
The last time that someone sent us a projector, we liked it and we ended up, that's our only television. We either hang some kind of a curtain, but now we happen to live in a house that has a big white wall in the living room. We just don't hang anything else on that. And that's our projector wall.
Tony
Yeah, and we also have a screen.
Peggy
We do have a screen.
Tony
We have taken it, when it's appropriate.
Peggy
When it's appropriate. When we were requested by a group.
Tony
Yeah.
Tony
Can you bring a projector? We saw, by the way, we watched the long, long trailer.
Peggy
Nope. We watched RV.
Tony
Oh, you're right.
Tony
Yeah, we did. Absolutely.
Peggy
Okay. So anyway, just to let you know that we do have, you know, a little bit of projector experience. And this projector, I mean, for a hundred bucks, It seems fine.
Peggy
Tell us how easy it was to hook up.
Tony
Oh, you plug it in, you get it on your Wi-Fi. It's an Android device, essentially. And it just... Android.
Tony
Don't be a hater.
Peggy
Well, the only reason I question that is we use all Apple products. So was it difficult to... Oh gosh, no.
Mike Sokol
No, no, no, no, no.
Peggy
Is that an Apple product? Product.
Tony
No, an Android product. No, you go on your Wi-Fi, you hook it up to your Wi-Fi. It does, of course it does an update and then it works.
Tony
And it's a smart TV effectively. So you can like log into your YouTube account. We have a Amazon Prime video account. We have a Paramount Plus account. And you just log into those and bing, bing, boom, you can be watching the stuff that you want to be watching.
Peggy
So those are the ways that we watch television at home. We don't watch network TV. We don't have cable. We actually just use our use smart TV technology and watch things that are streaming.
Tony
Yeah, right.
Peggy
Usually old shows so that we don't end up waiting for the next season.
Tony
Yeah, that's true. We like to watch shows that have wrapped. So this has on the back, it has an HDMI input, it has a USB, and it has the power outlet. And of course, there's a wireless remote because.
Tony
Hello, there's a wireless remote.
Peggy
Because Tony wouldn't want it if it didn't have a remote. He loves remote.
Tony
I do. It also does automatic Keystone.
Tony
And so, you know, you project it on the wall and it's like shoots out a pattern and it adjusts the focus and the. And the Keystone and all that.
Peggy
Keystone being like the parallel. Yeah.
Tony
Like to accommodate for different height or, you know, angles, you can project it.
Tony
On a ceiling or on a weird wall. It comes with an adjustable foot to adjust the angle. And it has something that I really liked. It has a standard screw hole on the bottom. And this is a regular photographer's tripod mount.
Tony
And we mounted it on a tripod. And that worked really, really well.
Tony
Overall, now when I turned it on, you immediately had a observation.
Peggy
I have a couple. The observation I had when we watched it last night was it's not as bright as our old projector.
Tony
That's true. This is 420 lumens.
Tony
420, sorry, it's 420 lumens. Our other projector, I think, is is in the 900s. It's about double the brightness.
Peggy
So I did notice that and we happened to watch one television show where there's a lot of kind of dark scenes. So I was a little concerned that we weren't gonna be able to see and I mean, not that it would really turn black, but it would just be hard to understand what was happening.
Peggy
I didn't have too much of a problem with that, but it was a concern. The other thing that I noticed is the picture was bigger on our wall than usual. And I thought, well, maybe he has it too far away because, you know, with a projector, the farther away you go, the bigger the picture gets.
Tony
Yeah, but then you get far enough away and then it really washes out.
Peggy
But.
Peggy
Well, the other thing is, even though the picture was, like, took up the entire wall, we couldn't possibly make it any bigger. It was three feet from where we usually position it. So it's kind of almost in the middle of the room. So this probably will be a great projector for setting down somewhere close to a camper and everyone sitting behind it.
Tony
True.
Peggy
But for our living room layout, it's not ideal. Right.
Tony
And another thing, this has, I mean, at least it has a speaker, but it just has one little speaker on it, which again, is about what you expect, but it's got a single little speaker. However, there is an out, an audio out, so you could put bigger speakers if you choose to. There's also a Bluetooth setting.
Tony
I believe you can hook a Bluetooth speaker to this. I have not tried. I probably should have. It's not, you know, you're not going to get boom and sound out of a hundred dollar projector, right?
Peggy
If you have a big group that wants to actually hear the movie, you're probably going to put a separate speaker, probably.
Mike Sokol
Right.
Peggy
So anyway, that is the not Magic Cube, but the Mag Cubic projector.
Tony
Oh, and there is some memory aboard. I believe you can store some content. There's a USB on the back, so I'd imagine if you had like a fire stick or even a USB stick, you know, like a memory stick type of thing.
Peggy
With a movie on it.
Tony
Yeah, you could watch that. So, I mean, truthfully, It is for under 100 bucks, it's a total winner.
Peggy
Now, I think that probably our old age is showing and projectors, I mean, when projectors, when we first had a projector, in order to get something that was bright enough to be seen even at dusk, right, it was a big, big, big deal, a very expensive thing.
Tony
Oh, yeah.
Tony
I mean, our Epson projector that we that we used to use for presentations and stuff. I think that thing cost 23, $2,400.
Peggy
Right.
Tony
And that's why I was like, come on, under 100 bucks for a projector.
Peggy
So I think we're boomerizing a little bit.
Tony
Well, it's just, you know, wow, how much must this be? The other projector we have, which is an XGIMI, which is also, it's a very similar operating system, Android operating system. I think that one, when we got it, was about about a thousand dollars. And at a thousand dollars, I thought, that seems about right.
Peggy
Sure.
Tony
That projector has. Oh, and we have a review of that projector. That projector has a battery in it that'll go about two hours. And it also has Harmon Cardon speakers built in.
Peggy
Oh, that's true.
Tony
It's surprisingly good audio for being built in a projector. But that projector is also more substantial. And truthfully, I would feel. I would feel more protective of it because it's not cheap.
Peggy
Right.
Tony
This, if I dropped it, it'd be like, oh man.
Peggy
This is like not taking your favorite coffee mug to on a camping trip, right?
Mike Sokol
Yeah.
Peggy
We have ceramic coffee mugs in the camper, but they're mugs that if they get broken, we know we can easily replace or not cry too long over losing them. And that'll be the same thing with this projector.
Peggy
If we, of course we're gonna be careful with it. We're not gonna let go.
Mike Sokol
Right.
Tony
It's not a cheap fall.
Peggy
But if something happens to it, it's not the end of the world.
Peggy
And we'll get to watch a movie, RV related movie on the side of our camper when it is appropriate.
Tony
Right. With maybe in Quartzsite, for example.
Peggy
By the way, does this need power? Yes.
Tony
Oh, yeah. Oh, I put it on a portable power station and dug on it. I don't remember how much power it took, but it was really efficient.
Peggy
12 watts.
Tony
Okay.
Tony
No, it's 110 volt. So house household current or 120, really. So yes, you need to plug it into household power, but you could run.
Peggy
It off.
Tony
Any sort of portable power station, no problem.
Peggy
Because am I right that the XGIMI has some kind of battery in it?
Tony
It has a battery in it. Yeah, a battery.
Peggy
Okay, I think that covers all the bases, right? Yeah.
Peggy
So when we do go and see, when we do go in a group, and project a movie on the side onto a screen, we will report back and let you know. But for now, it is a pretty good thing to carry around in the camper in case that- yeah, for the right circumstance. -happens to come up. You know what?
Tony
I could actually see, I mean, here's a thought.
Tony
Every RV nowadays, the design is so that you can watch TV and then you have to put a TV on the wall. Wouldn't it? Like, I've seen, for example, that Coachman RVs that we saw last week came with of the projector and the back window went translucent, became a screen.
Peggy
True.
Tony
Now, you can see it from the outside, so you better watch what you're watching.
Tony
If it's naughty, and everyone in the campground is going to know you're watching naughty movies. But to me, that makes more sense than a TV because it's lighter. You can have a larger image and you could hang this thing.
Peggy
I mean, you could hang it upside down.
Tony
Yeah, you can hang it from the ceiling.
Tony
Yeah, it's designed for that.
Peggy
I feel like we've seen a few RVs over the last few years that have that kind of a system and the like sometimes there'll be a big picture window and then the blind will come down and the blind acts as the screen for a projector.
Tony
Yeah, I'd rather have that than a TV, but that's me because I'm weird.
Peggy
And because our TV fell off the wall one time.
Tony
Yes, it did.
Tony
Yes, it did. The TV itself literally split in half.
Peggy
Yeah, not the bracket, but the actual TV.
Tony
Yeah, the actual TV broke in half. The roads, it split the TV right in half and most of it just fell off the wall.
Peggy
Whereas this would have been safely in a drawer.
Tony
Or hung off a ceiling, you never know. Anyway, that's our gadget. That's our keeping you from getting shocked. But our next thing is our question of the week.
Tony
And our question last week was, How.
Peggy
Do you handle medical situations on the road? Now, some people said call 911. And I guess I wasn't clear. I didn't really mean emergency emergencies, but like urgent emergencies, you know, things that you, you know, you're going to be gone for two weeks and you really don't want that toothache to last.
Peggy
Or that sore neck or that rash or that, you know, cramp in your left foot, whatever, those kind of things was more kind of what I had in mind. So, you know, hopefully it's very rare that you ever have to call 9-1-1.
Tony
Or never would be better.
Peggy
At home or camping, right? But I get that it happens.
Peggy
But so go check out those answers. And this week our question is going.
Tony
To what kind of plans are you scaring up for Halloween?
Peggy
Next week will be our always unpopular Halloween episode.
Tony
At least we own it.
Peggy
A few people said they absolutely adore that episode. We of course love it, but it really is our least popular of the year.
Tony
We don't care.
Peggy
We're gonna do it anyway.
Tony
We're gonna do it anyway.
Tony
Christmas is.
Peggy
Oh, well, whatever. In preparation for Halloween, I know that some campgrounds really, really go out of their way to celebrate and and do great things. Is that the kind of situation you're gonna be in? Are you gonna be home passing out candy?
Peggy
Do you shut down the lights and pretend like you're not home?
Tony
Do you have cool googly electric eye lights like Bill has at the front of his trailer? That was so cool.
Peggy
So if you would especially share your pictures, because we are super Halloween fans and I would love to see what you did with your campsite for Halloween.
Tony
Yep, and you can answer that at our fun and friendly Stressless Campground Facebook group.
Peggy
That is right. You can, what? What do we do now? Oh, yeah. You can also sign up on our website, stresslesscamping.com for our once a week free newsletter that is going to come to you once a week because I don't have time to think of other things to say during the week.
Peggy
And it will remind you that the podcast episode is out. It will ask you the question, and sometimes it will offer for an opportunity to win a prize or tell you where we're going to be that next coming week. In fact, we are going camping this weekend tomorrow for those of you watching on the day it releases.
Tony
And so with 500 of our closest friends.
Peggy
Well, actually, really, that's in a few weeks.
Peggy
This one's gonna just be six of our closest friends.
Tony
Well, isn't there. Well, anyway.
Peggy
Anyway, we're gonna do a weekend at a winery this weekend, and then we're doing in a few weeks another music festival. Those are on our secret camping calendar that you can only get a link to on the newsletter.
Peggy
So if you want to know where we're going to be camping so that you can meet up with us, that's how you find out.
Tony
And of course, you know, as Peggy said, once a week. Anyway, you can find the show notes for this episode, episode 330, at the podcast page at stressless.
Peggy
Which is also where, which is also where you will find our favorite products and services for all the goods and fun things and discounts and deals and links to products like projectors that we like to use on the road.
Tony
Yep. Chris, you know, we are wasting time along with you in all the social places, and you can find those places where we are with a link on our website or just look up Stressless Camping wherever you like to waste your time because we're probably there wasting ours too.
Peggy
Almost certainly.
Tony
Yeah.
Peggy
Okay, audio listeners, you know that you can subscribe on your favorite podcast catcher so that you don't miss any episodes of not even the Halloween or Christmas episodes of the Stressless Camping podcast. I want to shout out real quick to Bill. Thank you again. Every week Bill is probably the first listener because he's in New York and he always, by the time I wake up, I have a if I've made some kind of a boo-boo to let me know or if things aren't clear, whatever. And we really appreciate that feedback.
Tony
Yeah, it was great when we were in Pennsylvania and Hershey. Bill was on our path or whatever as a team member, and he truly is one. So thank you, Bill. We really appreciate the second or the third set of eyes.
Peggy
Yeah, absolutely.
Peggy
If you're watching on YouTube, video on YouTube, please like, please subscribe, please share, share anything that you see, if you like an episode on YouTube, share it on Facebook, whatever. If you see something that we've written on our website, we have a lot of articles and recipes and all kinds of other things. And we welcome, we beg you to share those things on your socials or with your family or in the grocery store or whatever, wherever you like to share.
Tony
How about at the At the campground. At the campground.
Peggy
Oh, what a good idea.
Tony
We, the all the content on stresses camping is there's not AI, there's not artificial intelligence. In fact, there's barely intelligence. Because we write everything. So there you go.
Tony
So, I mean, we only write stories there and share tips that we truly believe in and that we have the facts to support and all of that. So no AI, barely even any AI. So that's what we have for you this week. Once again, we really appreciate your being here. Hopefully we'll see you out there on the road.
Tony
Hopefully you're not winterizing your camper.
Peggy
Yeah, hope you're going camping. Yeah.
Tony
And with that, thank you for being here and stressless camping.
Tony
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